I want to know, when everyone got all upset with my review of the Quake paper and bashed me on this blog. Why?
Tuesday, June 1, 2010
5 Days after the Quake Critique
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Thursday, March 11, 2010
The problem with Comparative Whole Genomics......
I have been having this debate with a good friend and mentor.
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Tuesday, February 2, 2010
Holy Crap! MedCo Follows in CVS footsteps
By December 21st the writing was on the wall. It was pretty obvious CVS/Caremark had jumped over the number one PBM in the field MedCo.....
How so?
Well, the increased ownership in Generation Health that CVS/Caremark laid down was the way.....
The newest of the benefits management companies.....this time the focus was on genetic testing benefits.
Personally, this type of company should have been formed in 2005 when Insurers were hemorrhaging cash from those BRCA tests........
But, slow and deliberate do Insurers move....
On the 21st it of December it was all but decided for MedCo. Ummm, Ummmmm, who looks like this Generation Health company?????
I knew back then and now everyone knows today.
MedCo buys DNADirect.....
In 2005 when My Partner at the time Leslie Manace went out to "see" Ryan...... In what turned to be a huge probe of Leslie by Ryan, Ryan revealed......"We are interested in PGx" Which was funny because so were we. So much so that we really thought that this was the bees knees and in fact was likely the only useful and scalable testing to come out in the next 5 years.
The DTC Genomics companies were merely a twisted dream at the time.
Well, Ryan. Our hunch paid off.
By Diversifying your DTC genetic testing company into something useful such as a GBM, you have moved shrewdly. And when the PBM leader gets trumped by CVS, you reap the rewards.
I look forward to the first quarter report from MedCo to see exactly how much they acquired you for.
I have been saying on this blog that the answer for these DTC genomics companies is to follow your lead. Now the question is, which big insurer will now but a DTC genomics company?
For MedCo, I am a little disappointed that you decided to choose the exact type of company as Caremark did. There are lots of other solutions out there. I hope you still plan on increasing your footprint in this space. Because it would be bad if CVS/Caremark continues to gobble these companies up and you end up buying the second in class.....
Not that DNADirect is second in class, but Heather Shappell et.al. ARE First Class.......
The Sherpa Says: There has got to be a way to make these companies less reliant on people. Even in the genetics testing space, there is a way to automate.
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Thursday, June 11, 2009
OK Guys, Seriously.......
What I loved about the second day of CGS coverage was that Dan now had some partners covering some of the space, heck I even saw twitter messages straight from Illumina.....
I want you all to listen to some very important statements. Francis Collins had his genome sequenced under an alias by 23andMe, deCode Me, and Navigenics - tells them here at Consumer Genetics Show - He says
1. Substantial differences exist in info revealed (carrier, non-medical, ancestry); not clear which markers are tested
2. Interpretations sometimes vary, even with the same data; exhorts DTC companies to collaborate on this.
3. Parents willing to pay nearly $2K for cord blood banking are unlikely to be daunted by cost of genome sequencing as it falls.
So here's the take home. When you get a cholesterol test, don't you want to have a uniform explanation and values? The same is true for genomes. This is why it is so damn hard to run a bread and butter lab.
You have to compete on different things......Insurance preference (Which often involves undercutting your costs), Turn Around Time, Integration into MDs work flow......
By exhorting DTC to have "Uniform" explanations he ultimately spells what will likely be the case for this business.....one big conglomeration of a company doing genome sequencing OR 5 mega companies, all competing on turn around time, Insurance preference, and MD preference........
This is fairly evident by the move made by Illumina.....where
1. ONE Company does Sequencing
2. 5 companies do interpretation
3. 1 company does the medical care
Do you see where I am headed? DTC genomic companies in the current form are doomed, unless it finds a way to adapt.
I told Dietrich Stephan that a way back and his investors rebuffed......Well, I am doing it anyways, without them......
You didn't hear about the Illumina move? Well, in spotlight stealing moment, they showed an iPhone app for your whole genome a whole genome at 30x coverage for 48 Thousand USD. ORDERED BY PHYSICIAN, counseled and then tested, a consumer can then get on their iPhone (maybe) or at least their new Mac and surf their results...
This could be a fantastic thing, if it were not for the Incidentalome that this will unleash!
Incidentalome?
Well, in radiology their is a term for finding something on a radiology scan which you weren't looking for. Most often this "Thing" is a benign cyst that regresses or is just an artifact...... But as physicians we end up doing a full court press work up and costing even more money than we thought possible......
Zak Kohane wrote an article about precisely this in 2006 in JAMA...........
He estimates "false positive" rates could be higher than 60%
So my point is this......50k or 5k or 500 bucks, the genome is going to cost about 500 bucks in less than 5 years.
During that time....WE STILL WILL HAVE NO F*CK*N& CLUE what most of the information in it means......And we will be trying to explains things which may mean nothing......... I remember the blog post I did about the geneticists sitting at a table with Comparative Genomic Hybridization Results.....They all said "I Dunno"
We may not know for a very, very, very long time......Francis Collins tells a joke
"A geneticist's wife was talking with her friends........She says "We've been married 20 years now and He keeps telling me how 'We are GOING to have a great sex life' "
The Sherpa Says: Give me a freaking break, Guys, Seriously. What the hell do you think is so great about this $H!T? Seriously? This will cause more confusion and likely more cost. What revolution does this bring? I can see PGx, but that is really about it. OK, maybe NBS too....
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Tuesday, May 5, 2009
In My Inbox........
Author: Scooter Jones Comment:If someone wants to fake a DNA test would it work if he put someone elses saliva, sperm or blood in his mouth prior to being tested.?"
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Thursday, March 27, 2008
I lost my Train....
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Thursday, February 21, 2008
Shaking Chills, Houston Texas and 1000 USD
I couldn't figure out whether I was hallucinating from the fevers or if the email I received from a reader was correct. He said "Could you explain this to me, from 350k now to 1k? How could this be"
He was of course speaking about the PacBio (Like Pacific Sunwear/PacSun) technology and press release that Reuters put out there. Man why can't I get on Reuters at the drop of a hat?
From the release
" A California company predicts it will soon be able to sequence an entire human gene map in four minutes, for just $1,000."
"It will change health care forever if it works," Hugh Martin, the chief executive officer of the company, said in a telephone interview on Monday
Martin thinks Pacific Biosciences' new technology will be able to get a human genome done in about 4 minutes.
Yes, my wonderful readers. These are the key words in this news release. From that tone, it sure doesn't sound like a finished deal yet! There are several things to consider with this new technology including the cost to implement and its fidelity of genome analysis. But don't be surprised if someone builds a better mousetrap soon. But the short answer is....Genome for a Grand? Don't hold your breath.
That being said....I want to re-emphasize the benefit of directed testing. This is a good market and now DNADirect it appears has a direct competitor. DNA Traits dot com is a place where you can get free genetic counseling. At rock bottom prices of 75/hr at DNA Direct I am flummoxed on how they actually pay their counselors. Now you go and say that their service is so insignificant that it is FREE? Come on....where is the business plan here? Some way they have to be making a profit...Dr Bettinger covers this company very nicely on his blog.
Their list of advisors includes a Critical Care Medicine/Population Geneticist. Great for geneaology....."Doron Behar has multi-year background experience in the development of genetic testing for the public using a direct internet based customer approach." It appears he IS a mitochondrialist! Unfortunately on the site I couldn't find the names of the genetic counselors willing to work for free :(
The website even has the DNA Direct feel to it. Interestingly, now I may have figured out where my Houston readers are coming from. Houston, Redwood City, Mountain View, Cambridge, San Fran, NY, DC these are all my hotspots for daily readers. I wonder why.
Lastly I saw a quote from Dr. Bruce Korf. I will email Dr Korf today and as how he feels about his name on the DNA Traits site.
DNATraits agrees with the recommendations set forth by the American College of Medical Genetics in their Statement on Direct-To-Consumer Genetic Testing. In this statement, Bruce Korf, MD, PhD, says, "It is critical that individuals ask for a referral to a genetic expert who can help in determining what tests might be advisable and in interpreting results."
More importantly, if testing is even advisable at all. I have some difficulty with FREE counseling without stating what those counselors are actually working for. I hope it is not commission......
The Sherpa Says:
No I am not hallucinating. The genetic and genomic market just got a little more crowded. Once again.....I ask that we make informed decisions regarding our testing and get some professional advice. FREE advice is just that. Even a free initial eval should be followed up with care that is paid for. As for an MD only reviewing POSITIVE results...what about the Maybes? Is a Negative really a negative? I would want an MD to review all results. Why? Because it is just good care and should be the standard of care. We can't cut corners in genetics, no matter how stretched we are. This goes true for a sodium level or an extremely complex genetic test.
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Monday, February 11, 2008
Polls Closed, Myriad Tallies Up and We await Navigenics!
First I would like to thank everyone who voted on this very non-scientific poll. I extended the voting over a month, thousands of visitors later, we have our results.
You may be saying "Hey That's Only 98%" I say, "exactly" That's why it's not scientific. For all who may be reading, including my daily friends from Mountain View (that's right, everday)
Who exactly will be doing the suing? Maybe an Attorney General? If you are Myriad then that is the case. I prevously posted about this dangerous predicament these genomic companies could be in and the reposted last week about it.
As for Myriad, expect more BRACAnalysis ads to be coming. The WSJ reports that the Myriad ad campaign in the NY metro/NE area has increased sales of their test. from medical news today:
According to the Journal, sales of BRCAnalysis, which identifies the BRCA1 and BRCA2 genetic mutations, have increased by about 55% from $34.2 million to $53.1 million in its second quarter that ended Dec. 31, 2007.
Does this mean more patients at risk are getting identified? Most Definitely. Does this mean that their opponents are saying that more people are getting tested inappropriately? Most definitely. How did this campaign succeed where the one in 2003 fizzled? Primary Care Providers including OB/Gyns. Ask your local rep how many more tests came through these avenues and I think you will be surprised.
Now back to the wait. Navigenics is slated to open early this year. With GenomeBoy receiving an invite to the ball, I am certain to see this launch very soon. Will they follow Myriad's suit? I imagine a 3 million dollar ad campaign would work very nicely in the tri-state area. But then we have to warn them of the DTC testing laws in these states. Lest they end up like Myriad.
I guess anyone can file a suit these days. So here's a word to the Genomics Companies....."Be prepared".
As for the other companies not so well capitalized....."Be Afraid"
The Sherpa Says:
If I had a law degree, like the millions of lawyers out there who can do this work for free. I would bone up on genetics legal precedent, corporate protections and genetic discrimination. If you think a certain ex-candidate for president made a bundle suing OB/Gyns, you haven't seen the beginning of the legal fortune to be made in genomics.
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Sunday, January 13, 2008
Evidence Base, Not Eminence Base for Genomic Medicine
"Why should genomic medicine become more evidence-based?" He describes why we need to make the shift and why we haven't been so good at it. One of the biggest reasons is that the geneticists and research PhD geneticists have not needed to use evidence based medicine to publish. This is in direct contrast to large medicine trials, such as those required for blockbuster medicines. In Internal Medicine and Adult medicine, residents are raised on such evidenced based articles to guide best practices.
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Thursday, January 10, 2008
The Gene Genie Gone Awry?
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Monday, December 3, 2007
We need more Samples/Sherpas!!!
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Thursday, November 29, 2007
A little Knome fact!
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Saturday, November 17, 2007
Not with a Bang...The Death of Personalized Medicine
Today I plan to discuss where this magical field of personalized medicine is headed. A few things have changed over the week, and I think that this may change what I was originally going to discuss. But all in all the likely paths of personalized medicine could be up to 8-fold. Some are less likely and are therefore not discussed here.
In order to really understand personalized medicine's future we must know 4 truths.
1. Genotyping is getting cheaper and cheaper. Less than a penny a base pair. So in turn genetic testing should get cheaper and cheaper. This is the idea of a 1000 USD whole-genome. Unfortunately some tests still remain in the thousands of dollars. Therefore, I assume (unless these companies are paying their workers millions), that there is some significant money being made here.
2. There is a lack of healthcare specialists trained in the field of genetics. In fact the healthcare system fails all of us when it comes to genetics education and understanding.
3. The alternative healthcare market is skyrocketing. Do-it-yourself (DIY) treatment with herbs, vitamins, and nutraceuticals is predicted to be a trillion dollar market in the next decade. As a corollary, because genetics is not well understood by the "standard" medical practitioner, many view this as an alternative healthcare style
4. Insurance reimbursement for even standard genetic tests and counseling is woeful. If you are with an insurer such as Empire BCBS coverage of a BRCA panel is limited only to those who have breast cancer, or those who have 3 family members with such cancers at frighteningly young ages. This is better than others, who flat out refuse to cover BRCA testing unless a letter of medical need is written(taking valuable time from genetics providers).
This leads me to the paths. I think the paths are reliant on 3 things
1. Legal issues such as GINA approval and legal requirements changing for genetic testing
2. Public opinion for genetic technology in medicine remaining favorable
3. Personalized Medicine not being oversold
Probable Path 1
GINA is passed and states continue to have strong laws regarding genetic testing .
In this environment of protection from discrimination, polls have already demonstrated that the public will continue to view genetics as good for medicine. Therefore there will be a market for personalized medicine services. Private and public investment will continue to fuel the machine. However,there will be significant legal challenges to non-medical providers offering genetic services. But, personalized medicine will thrive. Discovery will continue and the public will continue to be excited. Personalized medicine will start to be oversold and the public may go wary. We are already seeing these trends with companies such as Navigenics. If lawsuits should happen, and they will, private investors will back away from this potential landmine
Probable Path 2
GINA dies in the Senate and strong laws regarding genetic testing continue to be enforced.
In this environment the public will still continue to be wary about discrimination. Most will not see value in giving a company, not governed by HIPAA, their genomic information. This is the environment we currently are in. All of this investment in these genome sequencing companies can go awry if customers’ personal health information can be sold to marketers looking to personalize ads. In addition if the government wishes to investigate DTC companies, as it is currently doing in CT, private genome sequencing could be a fad like Z-Cavaricci’s. Cool to have for a little while,until you realize that they put you at risk of being ridiculed or discriminated against. Now smart ad people will tell you that it is worth the risk, they may even tell you “Why not have the data now? You can use it later, but why not buy it now? Everyone is doing it.” Until that first case of genome data showing up when your prospective employer googles you. I imagine that would be worse than those “party” photos you still have up on your MySpace site.
Probable Path 3
GINA is passed and laws relax on genetic testing
In this sweet spot for corporate testing we see the rise of consumer genomics. The public opinion views this technology as benign as pregnancy testing. This is a scenario where the movie GATTACA takes place. “Genetics as a tool for better living”. Fueled by investment the future of personalized medicine is strong. We will see sex selection, PGD for athletic abilities. Since employers cannot discriminate based on “genetics” we may see some lawsuits because of genetics being used as a surrogate for “abilities” Because of the lack of legal consumer protection, the overselling may end up killing the best parts of this field. The databases of genomic data for research will be overflowing as patients will have no fears. IRBs will not have to treat genetic data and differently and perhaps restrictions on genetic research will be reduced. Discovery could be enhanced in this environment. I can see why many PhDs would favor this scenario.
The Sherpa Says: There are many more paths mapped out in my mind. I, the Sherpa have envisioned this mountain for decades. This is my passion. My existence. Maybe you should ask your friendly neighborhood consumer genomics company if it's theirs too. One things for sure, overselling via the NYT, Forbes and 23andMe will kill any chance of personalized medicine being viewed as a credible, respectable, medical specialty. This could be the beginning of the end of personalized medicine!
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Thursday, November 8, 2007
The Sherpa's Leash
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Tuesday, November 6, 2007
Congratulations...Sort Of....
“…. Any laboratory test of human DNA, chromosomes, genes, or gene products to diagnose the presence of a genetic variation linked to a predisposition to a genetic disease or disability in the individual or the individual’s offspring; such term shall also include DNA profile analysis. ‘Genetic test’ shall not be deemed to include any test of blood or other medically prescribed test in routine use that has been or may be hereafter found to be associated with a genetic variation, unless conducted purposely to identify such genetic variation.”
For clinical genetic tests, the informed consent must state that the sample shall be destroyed at the end of the testing process, or not more than sixty days after the sample was taken, unless a longer period of retention is expressly authorized. New York law requires individual authorization for sample retention for up to ten years if no genetic testing is performed; however, informed consent must be obtained prior to the conduct of genetic tests. Retention of a DNA sample past a period of ten years requires explicit consent for a longer or indefinite period of retention.
Laboratories may accept specimens only upon request of licensed physician or other persons
authorized by law to make diagnoses. Laboratories may report findings only to the licensed provider that ordered the test. Laboratories may provide results to lay persons upon written request of the provider who ordered the test. An official at the Connecticut
CLIA Laboratory Program confirmed that DTC testing is not permitted.
N.Y. Pub Health Law § 576-b N.Y. Pub. Health Law § 577 10 NYCRR § 19.1(j) 10 NYCRR § 58-1.7 10 NYCRR § 58-1.8 10 NYCRR § 63.3(e)
In general, tests may be ordered only by licensed physicians “or other persons
authorized by law to use the findings of laboratory examinations in their practice or the
performance of their official duties.” Consumers are not listed among those
authorized. Test results cannot be sent directly to patients except with written consent of the
physician or authorized person, except blood type and RH factor can be given in writing to
the patient without written consent. DTC testing is permitted for tests that have been
approved by the Food and Drug Administration for direct, over-the-counter sale
DTC testing is not permitted, other than for certain tests relating to the blood supply, such as HIV and Hepatitis C tests.
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6.8 IQ points! Give me a break!
When reviewing the web today it has become clear that the media is again hyping things today.
A study designed to evaluate the effects of ONE GENE on the role of IQ development in breastfed vs non babies. At first read does this sound like it could be true? I mean does the entire neurodevelopment of IQ hinge on this one gene.
Hsien Lei covers the story over at EyeOnDNA and so does Reuters.
Why is this story fishy at best?
1. According to the authors "We took cells from the children and then analyzed DNA and then we compared how they scored on IQ tests and looked up if they were breast-fed as babies," "It was very straightforward." Retrospective analysis is genetics is never the gold standard! Prospective is.
2. The authors even state (IN THE ARTICLE) that the modification of IQ is not likely to be due solely on this one SNP!
3. This is the FIRST study and replication is essential. But where do you read that at Reuters?
The Sherpa Says: That being said, this could be a pathway. I bring to your attention the age old debate about coffee being good/bad for your heart. When looking at environmental effects through a genomic eye the answer was found. Coffee is good if and only if you process it fast enough. So maybe we should be checking out FADS2 and CYP 1A2.... Let's not jump the gun just yet. Maybe the gene is just a marker and has nothing to do with breastfeeding at all. Just like this previously linked story....
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