tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6173393362223742012.post1653204234508583592..comments2023-08-24T08:30:25.608-07:00Comments on Gene Sherpas: Personalized Medicine and You: 2C19, Navigenics and Clinical Reality.Steve Murphy MDhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11774190000307343476noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6173393362223742012.post-17448417732372086802010-04-30T10:49:43.453-07:002010-04-30T10:49:43.453-07:00@Keith,
Yeah, Mussolini. Nice comparison.@Keith,<br /><br />Yeah, Mussolini. Nice comparison.Steve Murphy MDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11774190000307343476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6173393362223742012.post-39640096808271006422010-04-30T10:47:54.460-07:002010-04-30T10:47:54.460-07:00@Ryan,
Why aren't they going through doctors? ...@Ryan,<br />Why aren't they going through doctors? <br /><br />1. Their parent company P&G is trying to get them to.<br /><br />2. The doctors see most of these tests as not worth the time or energy to use<br /><br />3. That link was just to say, that it is something noted. Burrill's report is pretty crystal clear on that consumer trust.Steve Murphy MDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11774190000307343476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6173393362223742012.post-9631941399766124922010-04-30T08:34:34.565-07:002010-04-30T08:34:34.565-07:00oh - just checked out your link for "most con...oh - just checked out your link for "most consumers still trust genetic testing decisions made by their doctors." You cite one person's take on this as "most people"? Not to mention, there are really two options here after acknowledging the potential increases in suicide rates, as your link suggests:<br /><br />(1) mandate a company offer genetic counseling with DTC testing<br />(2) disallow DTC testing w/o physician approval prior.<br /><br />I am for the first, as I believe it a right to be able to make decisions for ourselves and not have people do that for us. But, this is a difference in ideology and fundamental philosophy. Some believe we should be "protected" from our ignorance as consumers.<br /><br />-RyanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6173393362223742012.post-59909954006735777222010-04-30T07:58:56.272-07:002010-04-30T07:58:56.272-07:00Question: Navigenics has CLIA approval, but they ...Question: Navigenics has CLIA approval, but they still go DTC. Given this CLIA approval, they can go through doctors - why aren't they?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6173393362223742012.post-46707116818935312152010-04-30T00:36:15.986-07:002010-04-30T00:36:15.986-07:00Ha - Mussolini was better "It's not hard ...Ha - Mussolini was better "It's not hard to govern the Italians, it's just a waste of time" Sub in doctors and teach genetics...Keith Grimaldihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03340553707811672190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6173393362223742012.post-72784610629309099062010-04-29T19:11:40.867-07:002010-04-29T19:11:40.867-07:00@Dan,
Company Rep? Like Pharma Rep?
Anyways, if N...@Dan,<br />Company Rep? Like Pharma Rep?<br /><br />Anyways, if NY didn't force them to use MDs to order tests, they wouldn't. This company used to joke <br /><br />"Teaching doctors genetics isn't hard.......it's impossible"<br /><br />So, I say yes, finally doing something clinically useful, congrats......but you need the clinician to make it useful.....DUH.Steve Murphy MDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11774190000307343476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6173393362223742012.post-77122265178653334762010-04-29T18:21:42.694-07:002010-04-29T18:21:42.694-07:00Navigenics isn't trying to cut out "the d...Navigenics isn't trying to cut out "the doctor." They are trying to seize intellectual property and distribution contracts in the most expedient means possible ---means which include a complete disregard for the actual medical application and provision of the genetic tests themselves.<br /><br />Companies like Navigenics are not even the same people as their original founders. The incoherence of companies like Navigenics has now their core advantage in their new function as which intellectual property prospectors who seek to extract a rent from the work of others because they had already "established reasonable grounds to initiate an ongoing discussion."<br /><br />If a company like Navigenics <i>were</i> coherent, then that "ongoing discussion" would be short and obvious ---if not non-existant--- and as you and I know quite well: one cannot extract billables nor settlements from such a reasonable relationship.Andrew Yhttp://thinkgene.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6173393362223742012.post-53913624094257073072010-04-29T14:36:44.875-07:002010-04-29T14:36:44.875-07:00You go from saying Navigenics has agreed not to cu...You go from saying Navigenics has agreed not to cut out the doctor in NY to still lambasting the DTC sphere for wanting to cut out the doctor. They are offering a service. They would like doctors to buy into it. You are a rare breed of doctors heavily invested in personalized medicine and the potential promise of genetics. Their mission is necessary and they consistently seek to educate doctors and get them on board with their services. Sure there are weaknesses that you correctly (sometimes) point out but it has to start somewhere. Time to acknowledge when you are wrong at times... I may sound like a Navi rep or something but that can't be further from the truth fyi. Just a frequent genetic blogger readerDannoreply@blogger.com